Innocent comments like: not ready to be commander in chief, hard working white voters or that Obama is not muslim as far as she knows.  With mentioning the assassination of RFK, even when she was invoking it to talk about a long primary, is treading into dark territory with so many deranged nutcases in a country of 300 millions people.  Who knows what it takes to spark the irreparable.

I agree that she did not intend them as a call for assassination (a editorial meeting is a weird place to make such a call, but it likely did increase the already substantial odds of  an Obama assassination.

We try not to think or talk about it but it never was unlikely. 1/3rd of the last nine presidents have suffered assassination attempts.  If you consider RFK, JFK, MLK and Malcolm X you could say nearly 100% of the inspirational leaders who confronted racism have been assassinated successfully.

Providing such prompting to the crazies is a horrible gaffe and one that might well have tragic consequence.  Equating it in any way with calling us bitter people "bitter" is inappropriate

I never said she wants him assassinated. I don't believe that's what she meant at all and that's not what I'm blaming her for.

I'm saying that she has a responsibility as a politician to not invoke the tragedy of political assassination anywhere near to a discussion of her reasons to remain in a campaign in a runner-up position.

I fully understand what she meant. But how she put it and the example she used are completely irresponsible and unexcusable for any politician, much less one running for President.

Everything else she has proposed or floated HAS been silly.  This isn't silly.  This could work.  

No, I don't think she intends to assassinate Obama.  But if she is waiting for something bad to hapen to him from an external influence (and a sniper's bullet would certainly qualify as one example of that) then she is hopelessly despicable.

I can't blame her if thoughts like that run through her mind.  Anybody would think of it.  I HAVE thought about it, what would be the result, if Obama were assassinated.  I bet many here have thought about the ramifications of that.

But you SHOULD NOT bring that subject up in the context of a question about why you are continuing an otherwise hopeless nomination battle.  It's revolting.

wow you're a pussy cry baby the last couple of days.

you talk about Gary Hart's campaign instead of 1968.  

Logic would mean that you wouldn't bring this up since you're referencing the 60s and the assassinations of 4 major civil rights leaders.

Logic would mean that you wouldn't get 30 million dollars in debt once you were behind.

Logic would mean you wouldn't ignore the caucus states.

Logic would mean you wouldn't mention nuking Iran.

What makes you think logic has anything to do with fighting?  Right, Hillary's a fighter and she's fighting no matter what the logic is.

You can't have the "logical warrior".  Well, there might be some, but it's not applicable in this context (and if you really want to dispute that, let's go with some scenarios).

Actually, his comment is bizarre, because that is in fact what Clinton said.  Not a direct quote, of course.  But on four occasions now, she's referenced the Kennedy assassination in June as a reason to stay in the race.  It's such a poor analogy for her situation--1980 or 1984 would either have been much better--and it's in such incredibly poor taste, that these be reasonable, folks apologies don't work.  This is Clinton, not George Allen.  She's not some rube whose bullying tendencies bubble up uncontrollably.  On four occasions she has referenced this terrible tragedy and weak non-analogy as a reason for her to remain in the race.

My outrage is not feigned, nor am I blinded by hate.  I wrote my dissertation on irony and the subtle uses of language.  I understand words and their implications--when to accept them at face value and when not to.

I'm actually speechless.  I can't believe that our party has sunk this low that people would level these kinds of allegations.

"I saw the video.  I know what she meant.  I know what was in her heart.  I have a PhD.  I can read minds!"

This is a very sad day for the Democratic Party.  I was upset, but not entirely surprised by the race allegations because the competition was so fierce and we were really in new territory as far as presidential politics and minorities.

But this.  The idea that a party icon, a woman who has given so much of herself and so much of her life to party.  She went to the mat for universal health care.  They accused of being a lesbian and killing her colleague.  They made fun of her hair and her figure.  They even went after her daughter.  But she kept fighting for progressive values.

I realize that this has been a tense, competitive primary with a lot of charge thrown around.  That happens.  It's politics.  I realize that many people are still REALLY angry about the war.  But this is just stunning.

I cannot remember a more nasty accusation ever leveled against a presidential candidate from members of his/her own party.  Ever.

You clearly believe that she and Bill have crossed the line in some of things that have happened during the campaign.  I don't agree with that, but I understand why you would feel that what.  A lot of people were bothered by her LBJ comment.  I was not.  A lot of people were bothered by the 3am ad.  I was not.

You may not like their hardball politics--it doesn't really bother me.  But.  There is a clear line between questioning his credibility and readiness and sincerity and saying, "I'm going to wait around for him to be assassinated."

Remember, in 1996 (I think it was '96), her husband bombed Baghdad for several days after the Kuwaiti government uncovered a plot to kill Pres. Bush when visiting Kuwait.  There was also the incident where a crazed man shot up the White House Press Room.  There was also the incident where some guy flew an airplane into the building.  She has lived with Secret Service protection since 1992.

Even if you think she has played hardball politics to the extreme, don't you think this crosses a line that is just beneath contempt?

Then don't, go away. Honestly, Clinton just shot herself in the foot and you can rail against anyone not kissing your ass appropriately enough. I'm not saying she meant it, no one thinks she meant it. I'm saying its completely irresponsible, naive, and it just wrecked any shot she had at the nomination. God's honest truth. And you can throw your hissy fit about it towards the people that are pointing that out, or you could be an adult and realize she made a really, really, really stupid mistake and she's going to pay a political price for it.

just so you understand, this isn't manufactured outrage, and it isn't based on anything the Obama campaign has put out.

I find Hillary's comments disgusting, and I made that decision all by myself. It amazes me that people who one week can demonize Obama over the casual use of the word "sweetie" can turn around the next week and fail to understand how anyone could be upset about the word "assassination".

FYI, I believed Obama meant no disrespect by it, but I also agreed that it was dumb of him to have used that word. And he admitted as much himself. Clinton, on the other hand, gave a non-apology apology ("if anyone was offended") instead of even admitting that she could probably have picked a better word to use. She can't even admit that much--that it wasn't a smart word to use. All she can do is say that it is the fault of the people who found it offensive. Why is it so easy for Clinton supporters to call out this exact pattern of behaviour when it comes from Republicans, and not see it when she does it?

The only people fucking up are you Obama supporters.

Party unity was around the corner, but you guys sure fucked that up.

Basing your vote for president on whether or not you think me an asshole is not a sound system.

There's nothing vanilla about invoking presidential assassination, especially when she herself is in such a position.

If she continues her run past the last primary, her political career will be over. What she said was extremely irresponsible and while no Party leaders are going to throw her to the wolves and crash down on her, they're not going to play along enough to let her continue making gaffe after gaffe. Her political career isn't immune to her own error.

a very vanilla observation on the range of possibilities primaries contain.  

Assassination vanilla?  What ice cream are you eating?

Yes, the range of possibilities includes the one where Obama is murdered and Hillary climbs atop his dead body to take the nomination.  I don't think Ben and Jerry could make a flavor to properly reflect that.

It's gruesome.  And it's disrespectful to Obama's family.  

And it's also STUPID if you think about the very real possibility that some asswipe is eventually going to make a death threat or try to take a potshot at Obama, as often happens in presidential campaigns, and somebody is going to remember this quote of Hillary's and remind us all over again of it.

By the way, I just read Steve Soto on Left Coaster, one of that last hold-outs for Hillary.  He has a post up that addresses Hillary, "Just. Please. Leave." where he finally gives up on her.  Maybe I can finally start frequenting Left Coaster again.  Hillary really fucked up big time.

You really, really, really need to get out more....I know I need to:)

so, then, you will stand by while McCain wins, which will undermine just about every thing that Hillary says she is fighting for?

Is your sole interest in this election supporting the cult of personality of Hillary Clinton, or do you actually care about things like keeping Choice legal, fighting for equal pay for women, and all the other things that would probably be gutted for the next 50 years if John McCain gets to pick the next 2-3 supreme court nominees?

to hang out with all these real smart scientists in the Bay Area, those undergrads at Stanford, the Rhode Scholars I know, the young vibrant talent at google, the engineers at Cisco, the designers at Apple and say,

"I don't want to be united with the young and the (overly) educated".  Yep we're the problem.  (sarcasm intended).

oh my husband would say - 'them's fighting words!'

go pens go.