Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's over for Hillary

Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, Bobby Kennedy's daughter, and one of Hillary Clinton's endorsers, thinks it's over for Hillary.  

From Politicalwire:

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/0 2/23/dispatch_from_maryland.html


Townsend said she expects Sen. Barack Obama to win the Democratic presidential nomination and that Clinton is finished. She believed that the Wisconsin results demonstrated that Clinton's coalition (voters over the age of 50 and those earning less than $50,000) had fallen apart. When asked why the Clinton campaign had failed, Ms. Townsend had plenty of opinions and she placed significant blame on Bill Clinton and his racially tinged statements in South Carolina. She also felt that Clinton made a tactical error in making "experience and inevitability" her central campaign themes. Townsend argued that Clinton had little more experience than Obama and far less than candidates such as Senators Dodd and Biden. Additionally, making the inevitability claim hurt her when she lost Iowa... Townsend then lamented Clinton's decision to go negative and question Obama's readiness. She said that she called the Clinton campaign and advised that they 'go out on a high note' but her advice was politely dismissed."

This raises some interesting questions.  With high-profile supporters like Townsend calling it over, how much longer can the Clinton campaign continue the fight?  In light of the changing sentiment, do they risk alienating themselves from the rest of the party if they go even more negative against Obama at this late date?



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Not Yet (none / 0)

To answer your last question, not yet. Senator Clinton is still fighting hard, and that's her choice. But if she loses either Texas or Ohio, I would reconsider my answer if she didn't gracefully bow out.


by BBCWatcher on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:15:37 AM EST

Re: Not Yet (none / 0)

It's not just winning she needs BBC...she needs LANDSLIDES in both TX and OH.  We are talking like 30 point landslides just to have a chance of catching up with Barack Obama.


by a gunslinger on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:03:36 AM EST
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You're Both Correct (none / 0)

Mathematically Clinton has serious problems. However, it is theoretically possible for Obama to stumble. I think if she wants to fight on that's her choice, although I think she would be much smarter to stick to the approach she adopted toward the end of the most recent debate. Quite honestly I think her fate is out of her hands, and that must be enormously frustrating.

My best guess is she doesn't win Texas, and Bill Clinton's astute political analysis will govern. On March 5th we will probably have our nominee. But there are still some days left.


by BBCWatcher on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 03:58:20 AM EST
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Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (none / 0)

A Texas supporter of hers said the same thing. Each day more and more of her supporters see that the campaign is coming to a close.
by Cheebs on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:17:05 AM EST

Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (none / 0)

The new coalition against Obama has just begun; don't buy into your own hype.


it's Your Time America...take action today and make a better country; let Hillary fight for you!
by freespeechnow on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:53:50 AM EST
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New Coalition? (none / 0)

Are you referring to the 527's?  What movement are you talking about?


by a gunslinger on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:34:06 AM EST
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Re: New Coalition? (none / 0)

They metnioned the enw coalition on SNL last night.

White women over 80.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 07:31:00 AM EST
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Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's over for H (2.00 / 2)

Kathleen is correct and i am glad she has the courage to come forward to say this.


What would LBJ do?
by Socks The Cat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:25:48 AM EST

Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's over for H (2.00 / 1)

Wow, that's pretty harsh and the thing about Clinton having little more experience than Obama is a huge gimme to the Obama campaign.


by animated on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:37:19 AM EST

Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (none / 0)

Kathleen Kennedy Townsend on Wikipedia


by Dumbo on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:42:27 AM EST

Re: high-profile ? (none / 0)

some people like her and her as well as one of Ckinton's main supporters in TX choose to live in reality and not obama hate-land.


by affratboy22 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:43:58 AM EST

Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (none / 0)

This the second phase of a setup.

You ahd a Super Delegate saying it was pretty much over down in Texas recently.

Super Delegates have been jumping ship.

The quote says Townsend called the campaign to express that she thought Hillary should go out on a high note and was rejected, thus Townsend went public with her misgivings.

Now you have Hillary's online fund raising challenge failing to meet its goal, though they'll push it back and claim victory, the ability to raise funds at a rate similar to Obama has become critical, and that's just not happening when you do the math on Obama donation rates. Obama is going to own her in the money game.

Hillary may find herself in a worse situation in Ohio and Texas than the situation in Wisconsin.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:58:08 AM EST

And speak of the devil (none / 0)

Since Sunday has come and they failed to meet the goal, the word "Sunday" was pulled from the Hillary cmapaign front page fund raiser.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:13:07 AM EST
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Re: And speak of the devil (none / 0)

Their email said they needed $1.3m by Sunday. After they reached the goal they raised it.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:08:38 AM EST
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Re: And speak of the devil (none / 0)

The 1.3 million was after they had raised 900,000.

The original goal was $2.2million in 48 hours.

They missed their goal.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 07:35:24 AM EST
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Win TX and OH? (none / 0)

It's not just winning she needs, BBC...she needs LANDSLIDES in both TX and OH.  We are talking like 30 point landslides just to have a chance of catching up with Barack Obama..in terms of primary delegates.

30 points is a pretty steep hill to climb.


by a gunslinger on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:05:23 AM EST

Re: Win TX and OH? (2.00 / 1)

That's the whole problem, Hillary has to put up Obama level performances in every state left to draw even!


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:11:01 AM EST
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Re: Win TX and OH? (2.00 / 1)

As much as I respect her...there is just no way it can be done.  Superdelgates are peeling off, money isn't being raised at the same level as her opponent, and what's more...with every contest where she fails to make the 30 point threshold...the drumbeat to drop out gets louder.

I am afriad that she will damage the Clinton "brand" if she continues on too long.  2016 (or VP?) is still a real possibility for her.


by a gunslinger on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:14:51 AM EST
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Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's over for H (none / 0)

Denial is the first stage of grief.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:11:34 AM EST

Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's over for H (none / 0)

She likes to oscillate between stages 1 and 2.


by EMTP democrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:30:28 AM EST
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Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's over for H (2.00 / 1)

When she starts talking about an Obama/Clinton ticket, we'll know she's made it to Bargaining.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:44:01 AM EST
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Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's over for H (2.00 / 1)

If there is a call to make I would think folks would give the candidate herself the courtesy to make the call herself.

Besides, last time I looked no one had reached the magic number. If She wins either Texas or Ohio she should absolutely stay in the race through Pennsylvania. This is politics. You never know what can happen.

This is not the first time in her life that people have counted her out. the late JFK told a group of girls that they could never be president but maybe a few of them may get to be first lady. Mrs. Kennedy may be miffed that her advice was 'politely refused.' They are just putting pressure on Hilary.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:13:22 AM EST

Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's over for H (2.00 / 1)

Kerry was nowhere near the magic number in 2004 when he became the presumptive nominee.

Clinton wasn't close to the magic number in 1992 when he became the presumtpive nominee.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:23:07 AM EST
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Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (none / 0)

It's not over until the last Democrat votes. Or someone gets a majority of the delegates. All sorts of things can happen, some of them might. She can continue on, and I would like to see her do so.


by DaleA on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:15:08 AM EST

Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's over for H (2.00 / 1)

you dont find it odd this is her 2nd major supporter to say Obama will win this week?  I tell what i do find odd, you cheering for McCain.


by affratboy22 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:15:39 AM EST

Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's over for H (2.00 / 0)

Judging from these threads, Clinton supporters hate Obama more than they love Clinton.

When KKT endorsed Clinton, she was the relevant Kennedy, Ted was an old fool. Now "nobody knows who KKT is!"

Election results don't matter.

Polls don't matter.

Fundraising doesn't matter.

The rules of the Democratic Party don't matter.

The votes of Democratic voters don't matter.

These people are the Bagdhad Bobs of Primary '08.


by BlueinColorado on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:22:18 AM EST
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Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's over for H (none / 0)

i agree.  Their is really anything positive about Hillary its all Obama, Obama, Obama, its nice to see their as obsessed with him as they say his supporters are.  If i came to this site, looking for answers, i can honestly say i could not find a reason to vote for her (which may explain why so few people are).


by affratboy22 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:52:01 AM EST
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Again...Sometimes a Win is Not a Win... (2.00 / 1)

LadyEagle...

...yes a "win" of any kind wouyld be nice for her, BUT she needs 30 point landlsides in order to just BEGIN to catch up...she needs similar performances in EVERY remianing state to make up the Obama lead.

To quote a cliche... a win of say 10 points is putting a band-aid on shotgun blast.


by a gunslinger on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:17:05 AM EST

Anything less than 60% in any race (2.00 / 1)

is a loss for Hillary from here on out.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:24:01 AM EST
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Re: Again...Sometimes a Win is Not a Win... (none / 0)

The media likes to tell us what to think. From what I know about politics, all she needs to do is to win those two big states and move to PA. You would be surprised. i have been around a long time and i have seen weirder things than this happen.
I have seen Ted Kennedy and john Kerry nail Hillary for the same war they voted for. I have seen Obama endorse Kerry as a great American in 2004 even though Kerry voted for the war.

I have seen Bill Clinton act the fool sometimes during this primary. I have seen strategists write stupid lines for Hillary. I have also seen Hillary's managers underestimate the opposition. I have seen good people like Joe Biden and Chris Dodd leaving the race before it started because of money. And, I know that this race is not over. After march 4th we will know for sure.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:18:36 AM EST
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Re: Again...Sometimes a Win is Not a Win... (none / 0)

all she needs to do is to win those two big states

By twenty per cent margins


by BlueinColorado on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:23:25 AM EST
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Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's over for H (2.00 / 1)

I don'r blame HRC for staying in until 3/4... just to see if the miracle can happen...AND to see if she can raise the 5 million she lent the campaign.  To quit nowwould be premature and finacially imprudent.

But come the 5th...I hope she does herself and the party the favor of uniting behind Obama.


by a gunslinger on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:27:29 AM EST

Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's over for (none / 0)

One good thing about this.

At least she isn't a Super Delegate.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:46:52 AM EST

Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's over for (none / 0)

Yes, she is and so is Obama.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:19:23 AM EST
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Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's over for (none / 0)

Obama is, Townsend isn't.

Hillary and Bill are Super Delegates, too.

So is Ted Kennedy, but Townsend is not a Super Delegate. She is not an official in the DNC nor is she elected to high office.


Bill Foster would agree, Barack Obama has coat tails.
by Walt Starr on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 07:33:51 AM EST
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Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's over for H (none / 0)

Ted Kennedy did not have enough delegates to win the nomination and he took his fight straight to the Senate floor. it caused a big stink on the floor. I know no one wants that this go round, but they need to stop pretending that this is anywhere near as messy as before.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:22:06 AM EST

KKT says it's over for Hillary (none / 0)

I don't think KKT would've come out like this and pronounced this had she not been given the shaft on her advice to the campaign.  This provides wonderful fodder for Obama with her experience comment, definitely not good for Clinton, but KKT is also trying to cover her hide.  She probably wouldn't have said this had she not been burnt.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 03:18:06 AM EST

Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's over for H (none / 0)

One can hear Frank Gifford's voice...


by Drummond on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 03:35:47 AM EST

Kathleen told them the truth (none / 0)

but they didn't want to hear it.  


by bigdcdem on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 08:49:53 AM EST

I am not a bot. (none / 0)

Fuck you for using that term.  I am old, and I am am wiser than most.  A woman should rule only if she can win the nomination.  She's burned through only a few millions less than Obama and has eleven consecutive losses to show for it.  If Obama had that many losses, you would be screaming for him to bow out.  Fortunately for all of us, this will all be over March 5th.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 11:17:34 AM EST

Re: Kathleen Kennedy Townsend says it's (none / 0)

Predators do not go quietly.  They go snarling.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 11:20:21 AM EST

Did Townsend reall say this? (none / 0)

Show me another source. The Moderate Voice just parrots what the Political Wire said. I doubt KKT said this. Is this just more of Obama's misinformation campaign?  


by grlpatriot on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 11:32:19 AM EST


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